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jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

Last post 08-24-2007, 1:02 PM by ctitanic. 142 replies.
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  •  08-14-2007, 10:08 AM 25577

    jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    I know that many already think that I'm constantly attacking Intel's A110 up to the point that I'm mentally sick. But it seems to me that I'm not the only one, check this post from James Kendrik: 

    That's not a good thing for Intel as devices have starting appearing using the current A1xx processors.  There are currently two flavors of the A-series that run at 600 MHz and 800 MHz.  You would think that using slower processors would be a boon to battery life but I am the first to admit I am disappointed in the performance of these new processors.

    The A110 brings a better battery life, in the old Pentium M the maximum you could have got was around 2.5 hours, with the A110 I have seen reports of more than 3 hours. But as you can see, we are talking about 30 to 45 minutes more of battery life.

    But there are many factors than need to be analyzed. For example, the 945 Graphic Chipset is not really a lot better than the 915 and you have it running at 1024x600 while the old devices using the 915 were using 800x480. So what ever that chipset added in performance to the new generation is gone because of this higher resolution. So from the point of view of graphics both generations are almost at the same level. Taking this in consideration what's left? Pure processor power and in this case both processors have a common architecture and you have the A110 running at 200 MHz less than the Pentium M used in the old generation. So... there is nothing weird in getting around 20 to 15 % less performance.

    In my opinion, Intel did a good job making a processor that could mimic current VIA processors in the market. That was the goal. To have a processor that could give the same battery life and bring about the same performance than current C7 from VIA. And they did a good job on that. You have to look around and read the news of about 6 months ago. You had news about HTC putting a VIA processor in the Shift, you had news about the OQO 02 using a VIA processor, you had news about the Mediom UMPC using a VIA processor. So under that pressure the only logical and fast move was to take a Pentium M and modified a little bit decreasing performance up to the same level than those VIAs and getting the same battery life. Keep in mind that there were two big complains from the press about the 1st Generation: Battery Life and the absence of Keyboards. And this Second generation tried to address both "issues".

    Another factor that you have to take in consideration is the OS. This second generation was released when Vista was released and this coincidence had bad consequences. Vista is not the best OS neither for the A110 or the VIA processor. And there are the benchmarks to prove it. Those who installed XP in these machines have a lot better performance. To have Vista running in any of the first generation or second generation machine running at a descent performance you have to spend hours of digging in the OS configuration to set it right. And that's what OEM have failed to do. They just installed the OS and added their crapware to make things worse.

    So as results of all these facts all you get is a second generation that disappoint many because of it poor performance.  Like James says in his post, if you look around every single review about the devices using the A110 say the same thing: they are slow.

    That's my opinion. 


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    Posted By Frank J Garcia - CTitanic to ULTRA MOBILE PC TIPS at 8/14/2007 10:05:00 AM
  •  08-14-2007, 10:15 AM 25579 in reply to 25577

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    I'm writing this for 600mhz Kohji and for me these cpus are fine...  even with Vista if u optimize it...
  •  08-14-2007, 10:31 AM 25581 in reply to 25579

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    JKK:
    I'm writing this for 600mhz Kohji and for me these cpus are fine...  even with Vista if u optimize it...


    That´s what I said.

    Another factor that you have to take in consideration is the OS. This second generation was released when Vista was released and this coincidence had bad consequences. Vista is not the best OS neither for the A110 or the VIA processor. And there are the benchmarks to prove it. Those who installed XP in these machines have a lot better performance. To have Vista running in any of the first generation or second generation machine running at a descent performance you have to spend hours of digging in the OS configuration to set it right. And that's what OEM have failed to do. They just installed the OS and added their crapware to make things worse.
  •  08-14-2007, 10:43 AM 25582 in reply to 25581

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    I don't see what the big deal is with speed. I have no problems AT ALL using Vista Home Premium with the 800MHz A110 processor. Hell, I even use Photoshop CS3 on my machine.

    Vista is more of a memory hog than a processor hog in my experience (which is why I upgraded my Q1 Ultra to 2GB).
  •  08-14-2007, 10:49 AM 25583 in reply to 25582

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Mazda_3s:
    I don't see what the big deal is with speed. I have no problems AT ALL using Vista Home Premium with the 800MHz A110 processor. Hell, I even use Photoshop CS3 on my machine.

    Vista is more of a memory hog than a processor hog in my experience (which is why I upgraded my Q1 Ultra to 2GB).


    OEMs need to sitdown and check all the optimizations that we have found are needed to have an aceptable level of perfomance with Vista installed in their devices and have then done before the units are shipped.
  •  08-14-2007, 10:52 AM 25585 in reply to 25583

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Let me add, that I understand James. Many of us want UMPCs but we really do not have the time to wait for applications to open. So if battery life is important, performance should be at the same level. Decrease performance to increase battery life is not something that convinced James neither me.
  •  08-14-2007, 12:25 PM 25594 in reply to 25585

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    another HUGE fact you left out & so many do, is that these CPU's have a much much smaller footprint than the current laptop CPU's. so with extremely small UMPC's like the OQO they simply couldnt use any of Intel's current offerings & had to go with VIA. with there being so many 4-6" devices on the horizon Intel had to have this CPU out or VIA would have stolen this entire market. with these CPU's footprint being so much smaller they also exude much less heat, which is what allows for machines to be alot smaller  & thinner, otherwise you would get small but extremely thick devices like the UX.
  •  08-14-2007, 12:27 PM 25595 in reply to 25585

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Yesterday I set up an ad hoc wireless connection, when I took the UMPC away the A110/Vista performance was truly abysmal. It was almost impossible to do anything. The other PC, an Pentium M 1.2 GHz/XP TE had no problems. With an access point there are no problems.

    Most of the times the A110 speed is acceptable, but sometimes it gets really slow.

  •  08-14-2007, 12:29 PM 25596 in reply to 25585

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Igor Sotelo:

    Yesterday I set up an ad hoc wireless connection, when I took the UMPC away the A110/Vista performance was truly abysmal. It was almost impossible to do anything. The other PC, an Pentium M 1.2 GHz/XP TE had no problems. With an access point there are no problems.

    Most of the times the A110 speed is acceptable, but sometimes it gets really slow.





    thats due to an awful bug in the Aethros drivers, which completely cripples the CPU. it makes the device near impossible to even use. read up about it in several threads on these forums.

    you have to roll back to the generic MS drivers to avoid it. i did & havent had the problem *at all* since. in fact i actually have an entire thread dedicated to it, for which many of the Q1U posters here contributed to.
  •  08-14-2007, 1:06 PM 25601 in reply to 25596

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Tizo:
    Igor Sotelo:

    Yesterday I set up an ad hoc wireless connection, when I took the UMPC away the A110/Vista performance was truly abysmal. It was almost impossible to do anything. The other PC, an Pentium M 1.2 GHz/XP TE had no problems. With an access point there are no problems.

    Most of the times the A110 speed is acceptable, but sometimes it gets really slow.





    thats due to an awful bug in the Aethros drivers, which completely cripples the CPU. it makes the device near impossible to even use. read up about it in several threads on these forums.

    you have to roll back to the generic MS drivers to avoid it. i did & havent had the problem *at all* since. in fact i actually have an entire thread dedicated to it, for which many of the Q1U posters here contributed to.

    Doesn't work well either, there are other issues now. The MS driver doesn't seem to have the complete functionality of the other.

  •  08-14-2007, 2:14 PM 25605 in reply to 25577

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    mr Ctitanic

    you start to look like the rabbit of the duracell TV Ad....

    "keeps gooing and goooing and gooooooooing....."

    funny thing is you know you are jogging in the wrong direction,

    the problem with this generation of UMPC is not the A110.

    way more worrying than this  are things like :

    companies Rushing for vista : Samsung and its crappy Q1Ultra factory software and drivers ,again NOTHING to do with the A110.

    new keyboard designs :mostly again q1 ultra, great idea but very bad implemented.

    Screen! much bigger  issue IMO,we have either very tiny-useless-joke screens with huge res (sony ux) or the new HTC with the nonsense of vista running in a good size screen at a pathetic 800x480.

    lastly... ctitanic,your argument about the graphic card.....priceless!!

    you won a gallifante!

    sigue asi campeoon :)

     

     

     

     

     

  •  08-14-2007, 2:22 PM 25608 in reply to 25605

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Miko3d:

    lastly... ctitanic,your argument about the graphic card.....priceless!!



    Miko3d, when you have a "weak" video chip (UMPC do not use graphic cards) the resolution makes a difference in the overal performance. I can prove you this in any UMPC easily. So your experiece with PCs (those use Video Cards) does not apply in this case.

    And sorry but I really do not have any prize for you. You really did not win anything.

    Sigue así campeón! Cuesta abajo y sin frenos!
  •  08-14-2007, 2:27 PM 25609 in reply to 25577

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    You have to look around and read the news of about 6 months ago. You had news about HTC putting a VIA processor in the Shift, you had news about the OQO 02 using a VIA processor, you had news about the Mediom UMPC using a VIA processor. So under that pressure the only logical and fast move was to take a Pentium M and modified a little bit decreasing performance up to the same level than those VIAs and getting the same battery life

    Very interesting.

    But stupid considering they are crippling the market.

  •  08-14-2007, 2:56 PM 25614 in reply to 25609

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    NeoTechni:

    You have to look around and read the news of about 6 months ago. You had news about HTC putting a VIA processor in the Shift, you had news about the OQO 02 using a VIA processor, you had news about the Mediom UMPC using a VIA processor. So under that pressure the only logical and fast move was to take a Pentium M and modified a little bit decreasing performance up to the same level than those VIAs and getting the same battery life

    Very interesting.

    But stupid considering they are crippling the market.



    You can check it. The initial news we have around 6 month ago was pointing to HTC using a VIA processor. Even a few days ago pages like Dynamisms still had it listed with a VIA processor.

    PS. Check this site.
  •  08-14-2007, 3:04 PM 25616 in reply to 25577

    Re: jkOnTheRun: Did Intel pull a fast one with the A1xx processors?

    Oh I beleive you. Despite the claims other people have made that you've discredited yourself I find you quite credible. (I actually find it discredits themselves to claim so)

    I just find it stupid they are weaking UMPCs though. That and Vista aren't helping the platform

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